Data 4 The People on the IndieCo Podcast
Eric Pachman joins Leah Cioco on the IndieCo Podcast to talk about founding Data 4 The People, turning hard experiences into fuel, and Type A vs. Type B.
Eric Pachman
Published
August 31st 2026
My interview with Leah Cioco, founder of IndieCo, is out now. At around 40 minutes, it's short and sweet by my usual standards (🎙️😂), but it covers a lot of ground, and it gets personal.
Leah and I talk about Data 4 The People and our mission to give people a safe space to explore their curiosity through data. We get into my background and the experiences that led me to start D4TP. We also talk about alchemy, the old kind, where you take the hardest things that have happened to you and turn them into fuel for something better. I share what I think Gen Z should do to thrive in the AI-driven world we now live in, like it or not. And I argue that there are only two kinds of people, Type A and Type B, and that which of the two is steering our society will decide whether it succeeds or fails.
Grab a cup of coffee and give it a listen on your favorite platform.
See you in the data 🙏🏼
~Eric
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